Hello all, I recently purchased a MIK Sunburst Archtop guitar off of craigslist. There is a small sticker on the back of the head under 'Made in Korea' with a serial number (9802407) printed below, but the serial number does not seem to follow the numbering system I have seen posted here and other places. I am assuming that they utilized a different numbering system for the Korean guitars than the American but I have not been able to find out anything confirming that. Does anybody here know more about this? I was mainly just curious to find out how old the guitar is.
Thanks, Kurt -UPDATE 6/7- Thanks for the responses! Sounds like there is not much to learn from this serial number, whether it is a meaningless number from Hamer or some stocking/inventory number from elsewhere. Sorry to the curious, myself included, but I think I will leave the sticker on. Guitar plays great and is really in fantastic condition, I think it had just been sitting around in storage for a while because there was basically no fret wear and the guy who sold it to me was a musician who came across it but said he didn't play guitar. Some thoughts for anyone else who comes across this and is curious: I have seen a couple other Hamer imports on CL(Bay Area) with this same type of sticker, which supports that it may have came on the guitar originally. That doesn't mean Hamer put it on as it could have come from the original distributor or shop that sold the Hamer new. My guitar had unbranded tuners, bridge.
Duncan Design PUPs If I ever change my mind and take off the sticker I will update this post!! Dean says the same thing about it's korean made guitars. The numbers are meaningless in dating them to us.
They were for the company making them. If you had access to the original makers idea for the numbering it might be possible. I have never heard what company made these. My serial number on my korean made Hamers were all imprinted. Knowing when they switched would help.
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Fuji box 9100 hyper. Also the Hamer Slammer Series were imported before the plain Hamer labelled headstocks. What does the front of that headstock look like?
Dean says the same thing about it's korean made guitars. The numbers are meaningless in dating them to us. They were for the company making them. If you had access to the original makers idea for the numbering it might be possible. I have never heard what company made these. My serial number on my korean made Hamers were all imprinted.
Knowing when they switched would help. Also the Hamer Slammer Series were imported before the plain Hamer labelled headstocks. What does the front of that headstock look like? Mine is of the plain Hamer label variety.
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It doesn't feel like there is a serial number imprinted on the wood under the sticker, and there is no other serial number to be found. I can take better pictures of the guitar and post if there's some interest. Many of them in the late 90s-early 2000s were stamped 'USED' and sold at a discount or through liquidators. I've seen some of those with stickers obscuring the 'USED' markings, but I don't seem to recall that any of those stickers indicated a serial number, since the stamp usually obliterated the original serial. Epiphone used to do that a lot, too.even on their Japan-made 'Elite'/Elitist' models, back about 10 years ago, give or take a couple of years. That's when I saw that, anyway. AFAIK, the 'true' S/Ns on imported Hamers (Korean ones anyway) were normally on a decal or transfer, and placed UNDER the clearcoat finish, if it wasn't a matte finish to begin with.just like the 'Made In Korea' part in the OP's photo, and just like in scottcald's photo.
I'm wary of ANY imported guitar that has a S/N put on it with a paper sticker OVER the finish, just because. There might not be anything wrong with the guitar, but still.
The only exception to that rule (i.e., using the paper S/N sticker) that I can think of were on old Korean-made Danelectros from the 2000s, because that's how they were originally sold as new.
AlienRaider: Sci-Fi or Oakland fan. Per the Blue Book of Electric Guitars, Dean's serial numbers are straight forward with the first two digits equaling the year of manufacture and the remaining numbers equaling the instrument number. So it appears you have a 1951 Dean or an import model? The imported Dean's do not carry the same date code. If yours is an imported model you'll have to contact Dean directly for product dating and model number / model name. Best I can do, sorry. The ML series of guitar has been in nearly constant production since 1977.
Some are made in the USA, and others were made for Dean overseas. As kcbuck indicated, Dean guitars made in the USA follow a serial number pattern consisting of a 7 digit number with the first 2 numbers being the year of manufacture, followed by instrument production numbers. Imported Dean guitars however (ones made in Korea, or more recently, China) do not have year-coded serial numbers and have to be dated by configuration and design. It would appear that yours was manufactured outside the US. Muf.dvr420, Can you describe the guitar in greater detail, provide a few photos of it, and detail how long you have owned the guitar?
Preciate that. Im looking, but Im not finding anything there either.:arg: try making a post on the Dean board - lots of knowledgeable folks. For the most part - the USA models will have 'Made in the USA' with YY - SERIAL on the back of the headstock. In the late 90's (1996 I believe) the serial #'s for the USA models were stamped on the fret board after the last fret. There are Czech Republic guitars that will have Hand Crafted in the Czech Republic on the back of the headstock with a serial # (nothing to denote year.) The Korean and Chinese guitar serials for the most part don't give a year or any other indication. They did start putting a year # somewhere in them, but they are imports and the year really doesn't matter for their worth.
There were some bolt on USA and Czech models. EDIT - Vendetta 3.0 information (serial # will not be different between import models). Neck Through Construction. Solid Mahogany Body. Maple Neck with Rosewood Fingerboard. Dual Humbuckers.
Tune-O-Matic Bridge. String-Throught Body Design. Classic Dean V Ferrule Pattern.
24 frets. 25.5 Scale. Black Hardware. Pearl Evil Eye Inlay. Thanks for the help guys! I seen where my membership/log in was just approved on the Dean boards so I will be posting something there in a few minutes.
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Im starting to think this is going to be all for naught though. I think I pissed the guy off when I told him I thought his guitar looked a hell of a lot like the Dean Vendetta XM model. He exploded right away with, 'Well, if it is indeed the XM, what do I have to add to make this an even trade?' I answered, 'A real guitar man! Im sorry but I just DO NOT like basswood guitars. If it is not the Vendetta 3.0, Im not interested.' Havent heard from him since.
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Tech experts from Seymour Duncan are regularly on this forum, and are clearly labeled as employees of Seymour Duncan. They are here to help. Your MZ3 is either 2003 or 2004 (MZ3 was used both years). MZ6 is definitely 2006, unless it does NOT have the upgrades (medium-jumbo frets, hotter pickups, 60th Anniversary emblem on the back of the headstock). I bet some MZ6 numbers will run in to this years (2007). Fender's usually do that. As for the Dean, this is what I was able to find via Google: From 'Dean guitars made in the USA follow a serial number pattern consisting of a 7 digit number with the first 2 numbers being the year of manufacture, followed by instrument production numbers.
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The serial number is found on the back of the headstock. Imported Dean guitars do not have year coded serial numbers and have to be dated by configuration and design.' Your best bet with the Dean would be to take some good pics and post them up on the Dean Forum. Your MZ3 is either 2003 or 2004 (MZ3 was used both years). MZ6 is definitely 2006, unless it does NOT have the upgrades (medium-jumbo frets, hotter pickups, 60th Anniversary emblem on the back of the headstock). I bet some MZ6 numbers will run in to this years (2007).
Fender's usually do that. As for the Dean, this is what I was able to find via Google: From 'Dean guitars made in the USA follow a serial number pattern consisting of a 7 digit number with the first 2 numbers being the year of manufacture, followed by instrument production numbers.
The serial number is found on the back of the headstock. Imported Dean guitars do not have year coded serial numbers and have to be dated by configuration and design.'
Your best bet with the Dean would be to take some good pics and post them up on the Dean Forum.Thanks man. So the Strat could be 03 or 04.
The Tele is an 06 since is has the 60th Anniv decal. I'll make sure and go check the Dean forums for my Icon.
Dean Guitar Serial Number Dating
Serial #'s DATING YOUR KOREAN-MADE FENDER/SQUIER INSTRUMENT from Although Fender began producing Fender and Squier instruments in Korea in 1988, its digital records only go back to mid-1993, with little if any information available on serial numbering from 1988 through 1992. It is accepted that there were serial numbers with and without letter prefixes at that time, but as definitive information is lacking, serial-number dating for Korean instruments made before 1993 is highly uncertain. Digital records beginning in 1993 show some “CN” and “VN” prefixes on the serial numbers of Korean-made instruments (these numbers almost certainly occur before 1993, but there is no documentation of this). Serial numbers without letter prefixes have been found dating through 1996; these are six-, seven- and eight-digit serial numbers with the first numeral (or first two numerals in the eight-digit numbers) indicating year of manufacture. A seven-digit serial number beginning with six, for example, indicates 1996; a seven-digit number beginning with seven denotes 1997; an eight-digit number beginning with 98 denotes 1998, etc.
A “KC” prefix was introduced on Korean-made instruments in 1997, designating instrument made in Korea at the Cort factory. The letter prefix is followed by an eight-digit number, the first two digits of which identify year of manufacture, (i.e., 97 for 1997, 98 for 1998, etc.). The remaining six digits are the unit identifier, but they are not sequential and do not provide further identification information about the instrument. The numbers for each year typically overlap, as there is always a transitional period between successive years and as necks and complete instruments that were made and serial numbered late in any given year were used on instruments assembled and sold in the early months of the subsequent year.
As always, dating by serial number is not an exact science and is seldom definitive. These charts are meant only as guides and, due to the absence of thorough and uninterrupted records, hence do not offer complete reliability.
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